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[–]rambat1994 97 points98 points  (11 children)

Core maintainer's is still up and even shows the organization badge: https://github.com/JustinLin610

Since the badge still shows on profiles, id imagine this is a Github action and not a user one, since no badges would show if it was fully deleted by the admin or something. Maybe got spammed or something

HF is still up, no issues.

[–]gtek_engineer66 19 points20 points  (6 children)

All the code is still on the chinese github alternative

https://ai.gitee.com/hf-models/Alibaba-NLP/gte-Qwen2-7B-instruct

[–]SomeOddCodeGuy 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Wonder if a push to the English repo caused some kind of automated trigger to take down the whole thing. I did a quick search for "my github repo disappeared" and it would seem that it isn't something entirely unheard of.

If I had to put money on it, I'd bet that someone or some thing had an "oops" moment and it'll get corrected once github support gets around to it.

[–]Dead_Internet_Theory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The fact a highly regarded well-known org gets their GitHub deleted like this is worrisome. It's not like Youtube isn't the same but... Didn't expect GitHub to be like that.

Welp, modern-day trigger happy auto banning with no due process...

[–]Usr_name-checks-out 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This sounds like an interns first day mistake:)

[–]ShengrenR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then it's their supervisor's mistake for giving them the ability lol

[–]Chris_in_Lijiang 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How does the Chinese GitHub alternative compare to the real thing. Are there many such alternatives?

[–]gtek_engineer66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They appear to be users who clone github repos and upload them there.

[–]Maykey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah at and it was brought up on hf:

no. our github org is flagged for unknown reasons and we are trying to get it back

[–]HugeConsideration211 0 points1 point  (2 children)

qwen's official org on ModelScope is still up:

https://www.modelscope.com/organization/qwen

things on github should reover soon i assume....

[–]ab2377llama.cpp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Somehow this link doesn't work for me 🤔

[–]hackerllamaHugging Face Staff 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Models and demos are still on Hugging Face. No worries🫡

https://huggingface.co/Qwen

[–]kataryna91 143 points144 points  (29 children)

There better be a good explanation, because I could totally see OpenAI, Anthropic & Co. lobbying for more restrictions and deplatforming Chinese companies, because they are mad that those will keep releasing open models without being bound by the upcoming Western anti-open source laws.

[–]thetaFAANG 41 points42 points  (1 child)

yeah ironic that both countries and Microsoft itself could target those models for removal for completely opposing reasons

makes me want to archive all China models

[–]Dead_Internet_Theory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Western "democracies" and big tech are more or less the same ideological unit, though.

[–]krex3 25 points26 points  (0 children)

GitHub has taken the US government to court several times and won so they could continue providing their services in Iran, Russia, and other countries on the US sanctions list.

However they are extremely weak and impulsive when it comes to DMCA/copyright notices and have on several occasions temporarily taken down GitHub accounts and repos over fake/disputed DMCA notices.

[–]a_beautiful_rhind 7 points8 points  (1 child)

There won't be. They did the same thing to me. Took 2 months and the explanation was that "sometimes our system requires accounts to be manually reviewed".

Completely out of the blue. No emails, no nothing.

[–]Dead_Internet_Theory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really inspires some confidence.

[–]nh_local 21 points22 points  (9 children)

It's funny that Western societies are so undemocratic

[–]the300bros 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Alan Watts said the west says: be democratic or we’ll shoot you. After hearing that I thought it is probably easier to rig elections than to overthrow governments by force.

[–]maddogxsk 10 points11 points  (3 children)

They claim democracy and free speech, but see them arresting Pavel Durov, consistent with everything else

[–]azriel777 13 points14 points  (0 children)

free speech,

Those in power have been working hard to kill free speech and turn the world into an Orwellian hellscape.

[–]Icy-Law3978 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Free speech until you're marked a Danger For Democracy™️

[–]procgen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hardly anti-democratic to deprive your enemies.

[–]Status-Shock-880 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There has only ever been one pure (direct) democracy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

[–]gatornatortater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

depends on who you think has a vote on this issue

[–]roshanpr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its $$$$$$

[–]MrTurboSlut 5 points6 points  (4 children)

upcoming Western anti-open source laws.

what?

[–]mpasila 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Probably referring to the California bill?

[–]MoffKalast 16 points17 points  (1 child)

And maybe the EU AI act.

[–]mpasila 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would still allow them but if the "training is greater than 1025 floating point operations" then it would have to I guess be censored?
"In addition to the four obligations above, providers of GPAI models with systemic risk must also:
Perform model evaluations, including conducting and documenting adversarial testing to identify and mitigate systemic risk.
Assess and mitigate possible systemic risks, including their sources."

[–]irregardless 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's an idea circulating that California's proposed AI regulatory framework (SB 1047) is going to "outlaw" open-source models. This may have been somewhat implied in the original text of the bill. However, it's still evolving and has undergone amendments that its proponents say make it more friendly toward open-source models.

For example, the changes are meant to clarify that the bill targets the largest AI companies, creating some "make sure you've evaluated risks" obligations on them when creating very large foundational models for public release or usage. No model yet, not even Claude or GPT-4, has met the proposed thresholds to trigger these regulations.

Changes also clarify that liability for potential harms lies with the creators of the models, not users or distributors. Fine-tuning is even exempt unless it involves investing millions of dollars.

This law, or parts of it, may or may not be good ideas for addressing issues that arise from this technology. But it doesn't seem like it's going to cause the LLM apocalypse that some seem to fear. Though keeping the pitchfork handy might be warranted as we wait for the final text of the bill.

[–]OygenValue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! I’m interested in learning more about this, do you have any suggestions for blogs/discussions/papers/law numbers I can read regarding this?

[–]metalman123 15 points16 points  (2 children)

How's their huggingface.co and modelscope?

[–]mikethespike056 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Why?

[–]instant-ramen-n00dle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Competition

[–]Such_Advantage_6949 25 points26 points  (2 children)

omg nooo. their model is one of my favourite

[–]ThisWillPass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is none better atm for consumers and small businesses, who don’t want off site compute.

Edit: Not enough coffee, I mean new commandr for 24gig. Qwen is up there too, haven’t done extensive testing. Mistral large 2, look great too. My apologies, I digress.

[–]salavat18tat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whuch one, up to 12b i think gemma and nemo is the best

[–]a_beautiful_rhind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That 404 is exactly what it does when your account is "flagged". And then all your contributions to other projects go missing. Well.. at least under your name, the merged code stays sans attribution. The PRs you made, gone.

[–]xarinemm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fuck github

[–]relmny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck Microsoft

[–]mikaelhg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Was it X'd out, or was it XI'd out?

[–]InvestigatorHefty799 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Exactly the reason why HuggingFace is the better alternative, GitHub is owned by Microsoft and can't be trusted with opensource.

[–]fallingdowndizzyvr 3 points4 points  (2 children)

How is HF an alternative? Git is code, HF is data.

[–]InvestigatorHefty799 11 points12 points  (0 children)

HF isn’t just about data. It’s for hosting, sharing, and deploying ML models and code too. For AI projects, especially in NLP, it’s a solid alternative to GitHub.

[–]Decaf_GT -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

What are you even talking about? Microsoft doesn't want to get rid of open source contributors because it would be bad for business for them (none of this "we love open source" stuff, it's just "we love money").

It's entirely possible that government-enforced action, and to that end, both Microsoft and Huggingface are US-based companies and would both be forced to make this change if asked.

Maybe we should just wait for actual details before jumping to any conclusions.

[–]InvestigatorHefty799 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Competent completion is worse for business. Microsoft is all in on AI, that's what they're mostly trying to sell you nowadays, you think they're happy about a free local alternative? No.

I mean Qwen HuggingFace is still up, so far the evidence is pointing towards it being a Microsoft problem...

[–]relmny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Competition is worst for business than that.

Also being MS part of the story, with a basic knowledge of the historic MS practices, the safest assumption is that is on purpose. It doesn´t mean is the actual reason, but is safe to think that a person who spend its entire life lying... will lie.

[–]hschaeufler -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Microsoft has become much better at OpenSource in recent years. The Microsoft Phi3(.5) models are under the MIT licence. So you can actually do whatever you want with them. This makes them much more open than Facebook with Llama.

[–]BeautifulSecure4058 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why? For competition??

[–]fasti-au 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well OpenAI and Anthropic are now government oversight ie. never going to be open.

China Russia vs US seems to be tech war again because you know. Humans suck at teaming up.

More compute compete instead of share.

Non of the companies are building for the people of now but for next generation. We’re about to hit some crazy times

[–]hschaeufler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was also doing some research and wasn't sure if the link was broken or the authors maybe had deleted it themselves?

[–]LinkSea8324 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure what I expected when clicking on the link.

[–]Chris_in_Lijiang -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Is the Q in Qwen, the same Q in Qstar?

Wen Jia Bao de Wen?

[–]codeleter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. It’s from Qianwen, which literally means 1000 questions

[–]Worth-Conference3998 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, it's only name. The name is Qianwen (千问).

[–]Chris_in_Lijiang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you.